Recruits

[swim4more]

Grigs did make the conference team, but he was swimming with a splint on his finger due to a bad finish in a sprint workout during practice.

His 100 backstroke time got considerably faster than from his time in HS. He might have been a 54 in HS @ the fastest and he was a 51 @ the U.


As to the chaleen situation, thats really unfortunate for GAC that he will not be attending, and over some test scores? Really? He should just take the lower level classes and collect an easy A.

Here's a 3rd grade math question for you, swim4more.

Given: Student scores a 3 on 4 different AP exams.
Given: College A gives full credit for scores 3 and above
Given: College A charges 900 per course
Given: College B gives full credit for scores 4 and above
Given: College B charges 4000 per course

Proove: College A is the better choice.

Proof: U of M, college A, 4 credits = $0
GAC, college B, 4 credits = $16,000

Mac,
All I am saying is that, it is stupid to make your college decision based on how high of a score you can get on an AP exam.

If he was looking at GAC, and liked the campus, liked the team, and if they had his major, then he should have gone there, and not based his decision solely on the AP Exam. Both schools he could probably graduate in 4 years with a degree, regardless of wether or not he got credit for his AP scores.
I do agree with you that, GAC is much more expensive, and in my opinion the education is not much different between the two schools, but what you are paying for is a different atmosphere, smaller class sizes, and a great team to swim with.

[Nashland]

Mac,
All I am saying is that, it is stupid to make your college decision based on how high of a score you can get on an AP exam.

but what you are paying for is a different atmosphere, smaller class sizes, and a great team to swim with.

One, he didn't base it off of AP scores but rather the fact the U would accecpt his scores and GAC didn't which in turn saved him MONEY. $16,000 is good amount of money.

Two, he obviously wasn't willing to pay for a different atmosphere and smaller class sizes (I'm sure not every U class is a lecture of 300). To him this wasn't worth $40,000 a year or whatever it is. You are saying that is stupid? Maybe the U had the right atmosphere for him.

And are you saying the U isn't a great team? Have you swam for the U? People keep going there so obviously it isn't a bad team. Maybe they aren't as close as GAC or other MIAC teams but maybe that isn't what he was looking for? Is that possible?

[swim4more]

Nashland,

All of what you said is possible anything is possible.

[Chapel Partner]

Do most U of M students graduate in 4 years? That 16K could be a wash when you start adding up the cost of living and having to spend more time in school (losing a year of your life not making cheddar). This is assuming he won't be on scholarship, and will be paying for his own stuff.

I don't think anyone should choose a school based on sports unless you plan to go pro in that sport. But, if you are a borderline D1 recruit, you might get more out of your swimming career being a bigger fish in a small pond. Mullee is an example of someone I'm sure is glad he moved down to D3. At UST he is now a record holder and campus hero.* At the U of M, he'd have been just another dude in a letter jacket on the 16.

*Relatively speaking of course.

[swim4more]

Do most U of M students graduate in 4 years? That 16K could be a wash when you start adding up the cost of living and having to spend more time in school (losing a year of your life not making cheddar). This is assuming he won't be on scholarship, and will be paying for his own stuff.

I don't think anyone should choose a school based on sports unless you plan to go pro in that sport. But, if you are a borderline D1 recruit, you might get more out of your swimming career being a bigger fish in a small pond. Mullee is an example of someone I'm sure is glad he moved down to D3. At UST he is now a record holder and campus hero.* At the U of M, he'd have been just another dude in a letter jacket on the 16.

*Relatively speaking of course.

The graduation rate for students pursuing a bachelors degree @ the U of M was 41 % (Students starting in 2002)
http://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=u+of+m&s=MN&pg=2&id=174066
Gustavus it was 81% (Students starting in 2002)

[Mac of the MIAC]

Wait. Didn't you transfer from the U of M to Gustavus? Explain.

1) GAC was 14k per year for students when I went and 6k at the U
2) Scholarships from GAC made tuition between GAC and the U negligable
3) I wanted to go to MAC or CAR to swim, but got 1k in scholarships and tuition was 22k+

All I have been trying to say is that these decisions, at least for those of us with moderate income parents, is largely financial.

[BlackFire]

Talking about ridiculous recruiting stories. There was a kid choosing between Cornell and WashU for track and field. He got the same amount of financial aid from both schools ad really wanted to go to WUSTL. Yet, his financial aid was labeled as a scholarship at WashU and as a grant at Cornell, he thought the scholarship was for track so he committed to Cornell because he did not want to be tied down to the program in order to get financial aid. He had no clue that D3 doesn't give out scholarships.

[Kaiser]

I was talking to the Hamline coach and it sounds like they have four swimmers and one diver coming in, which, at this point, is huge considering they haven't had many recruits in the last three years.

[caveman12]

My gut, and other credible sources, says that Nashlund is full of ... Challeen will be attending GAC.

[Joker]

My gut, and other credible sources, says that Nashlund is full of ... Challeen will be attending GAC.

Although I do agree that Nashland is typically full of..., I have to say that I'm 99.9% sure that Challeen has decided to go to the U. So it looks as though Nashland got something right. I rather hope not.

[Nashland]

My gut, and other credible sources, says that Nashlund is full of ... Challeen will be attending GAC.

Do you want to bet money?

[Schiller]

This Challeen guy seems too good to be true. He fits every GAC need. He's a stud to replace Skylar Davis's points, he swims GAC's weakest events so they won't be bumping themselves down in the mile and he would beat St Thomas's best swimmers in their strongest events. If I wanted to start a rumor this is exactly the swimmer I'd pick, it's too perfect.

Besides this guy, is GAC getting anyone else fast? The unsubstantiated rumors I have heard say that this is going to be another David Kramer type year.

[Nashland]

St. Olaf:

Phillip Maple
1:03.3/2:28.9 breast
2:04.8 IM

[Nashland]

St. Olaf

Tucker Mcgownd- 24.4/51.2/153.7/518 free, 102/215 back
Eric Stafford
Alek Rudstrom- 25.8 50 back, 48 free

[Mac of the MIAC]

Olaf is getting some pretty decent bottom end depth. That's always been where they fell short in competing with GAC. I like it.