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[Father]

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[JHU84]

I think the biggest two impacts the suits had were 1) allowed faster midseason times - the floatation and compression meant you did not need to be fully rested to go near your fastest times. 2) Took the coaching skill out of the taper. Even with a blown taper, not enough rest or hanging on swimmers are able to go fast. So at the end of the season for a swimmer who hits a taper the impact of the suit was something but a much smaller impact than on a swimmer with a bad taper ( and there are a lot of coaches especially in HS that are afraid to rest kids too much) who reaped big benefits from the suit in that condition.

[DonCheadle]

obviously the biggeest impact of the suits is that they make you faster simply by putting them on. But I agree: they completely changed the way to approach the season.

JHU, where is Junior heading to college next fall?

[JHU84]

obviously the biggeest impact of the suits is that they make you faster simply by putting them on. But I agree: they completely changed the way to approach the season.

JHU, where is Junior heading to college next fall?

Well I saw blown tapers from several kids this year, junior being one of them, club coach having them do 5k workouts in the last couple of weeks before state - idiot. Oh well next year one coach one agenda.

He is going to Air Force. leaves june 24th for BCT.

[Mac of the MIAC]

What were his times?

[JHU84]

He was 48.7 in november midseason unshaved unrested out in 22.4 at state he was out in 22.7 49.0. he went 137.8 at jnats on a week rest out in 48.7 at state he was out in 46.9 138.7 final time 27.0 last 50. he was 147.5 in the 2 fly at jrs. He had no speed at state. After watching regionals I told him to go no more than 1500 per day and nothing over 85 % but his coach would have none of that. The skinny guys on the team swam good. the more muscled guys poor. Coach has a one taper for all mentality. should have listened to eddie sinnott when we moved here and went to mustangs.

[Mac of the MIAC]

He was 48.7 in november midseason unshaved unrested out in 22.4 at state he was out in 22.7 49.0. he went 137.8 at jnats on a week rest out in 48.7 at state he was out in 46.9 138.7 final time 27.0 last 50. he was 147.5 in the 2 fly at jrs. He had no speed at state. After watching regionals I told him to go no more than 1500 per day and nothing over 85 % but his coach would have none of that. The skinny guys on the team swam good. the more muscled guys poor. Coach has a one taper for all mentality. should have listened to eddie sinnott when we moved here and went to mustangs.

Have you considered beating up the coach?

[iamdonovan]

Have you considered beating up the coach?

This is swimming, not hockey.

[JHU84]

A 9mm had crossed my mind. I just pulled him from the team didn't swim in sectionals, no winning relays no nat records not even top 3 finish. Now I just need to find a team for my girls to swim on. And remember this is the coach that told him he was going to swim 21 swims at jnats (prelim, finals, relays) the day before they left for the meet.

[Mac of the MIAC]

Have you considered beating up the coach?

This is swimming, not hockey.

But JHU lives in TX, which trumps your argument.

[Mac of the MIAC]

A 9mm had crossed my mind. I just pulled him from the team didn't swim in sectionals, no winning relays no nat records not even top 3 finish. Now I just need to find a team for my girls to swim on. And remember this is the coach that told him he was going to swim 21 swims at jnats (prelim, finals, relays) the day before they left for the meet.

So you are mad at his USS coach, not his HS coach? Sorry, I don't know how this high end swimming works.

Is Sectionals USS?

[JHU84]

yes club USS coach sectionals is USS. Quote from club coach "i don't care about HS swimming" HS coaches do very little in texas but the state meet is a huge deal. Club coaches know that well (at least most) and aren't worried about who gets credit for the swimmers. Unfortunately one such coach was trying just focus on sectionals and even then I doubt he would have had some of them rested enough. They were crushed in decemeber/january (one guy who did really well went on a cruise instead) and did not have nearly enough time to get in taper / recovery mode.

At least it wasnt the meet end of his career.

[Mac of the MIAC]

yes club USS coach sectionals is USS. Quote from club coach "i don't care about HS swimming" HS coaches do very little in texas but the state meet is a huge deal. Club coaches know that well (at least most) and aren't worried about who gets credit for the swimmers. Unfortunately one such coach was trying just focus on sectionals and even then I doubt he would have had some of them rested enough. They were crushed in decemeber/january (one guy who did really well went on a cruise instead) and did not have nearly enough time to get in taper / recovery mode.

At least it wasnt the meet end of his career.

Okay. I think I'm following you.

1) USS coach didn't rest Jr for State and he swam super awesome, but not super awesome by his standards.
2) USS coach didn't rest Jr because he wanted him to swim fast at sectionals
3) You pulled Jr from the USS team
4) Jr did not get to swim fully tapered this year
5) You might shoot the USS coach with a 9mm

Does that sum it up?

[JHU84]

[quote="Mac of the MIAC]

Okay. I think I'm following you.

1) USS coach didn't rest Jr for State and he swam super awesome, but not super awesome by his standards.
2) USS coach didn't rest Jr because he wanted him to swim fast at sectionals
3) You pulled Jr from the USS team
4) Jr did not get to swim fully tapered this year
5) You might shoot the USS coach with a 9mm

Does that sum it up?[/quote]

1) and others on the team - cost HS the state meet and possible nat record in the 4FR
2) sectionals only 1 week after state
5) I had thought about it but revenge is best served cold and he has some outstanding issues in his past that can be exploited the next year

[wonderboy33]

He was 48.7 in november midseason unshaved unrested out in 22.4 at state he was out in 22.7 49.0. he went 137.8 at jnats on a week rest out in 48.7 at state he was out in 46.9 138.7 final time 27.0 last 50. he was 147.5 in the 2 fly at jrs. He had no speed at state. After watching regionals I told him to go no more than 1500 per day and nothing over 85 % but his coach would have none of that. The skinny guys on the team swam good. the more muscled guys poor. Coach has a one taper for all mentality. should have listened to eddie sinnott when we moved here and went to mustangs.

I agree that different kids and different body types need different things when it comes to taper. It takes a coach with experience to recognize where kids are at, and to adjust accordingly. Let me be Devil's Advocate for a moment. Do you think there may be an issue with you telling Junior one thing while the coach is telling him another? Put aside your feelings about what's right for him for a moment. Confidence and trust is important during taper. It's important that a kid trusts that they're on the right track, and that they will be ready to race. When you tell him to do no more than 1500 per day and nothing over 85%, are you being supportive of the coach, or are you trying to be the coach? It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Perhaps the coach did the wrong thing, I don't know. Maybe you went to the wrong club. However, the end of the season is the wrong time to put doubt in Junior's head. My suggestion, discuss your concerns with the coach and see where he's coming from. If you've had it, do your research and find another club that fits your ideals better. Talk to the new coach and see what his philosophy is. If you're not satisfied, coach him yourself. It'd be a shame to get into this power struggle again. However, I understand he's off to college so maybe it's a moot point.